June 23, 2020 | Ezra Klein Show

Which country has the world’s best health care system?

So this conversation on The Ezra Klein Show is about which country has the world’s best health system. But it’s also about how innovation in health care actually works, whether there’s any evidence that private insurers add actual value, whether health care is the best investment to make in improving health (spoiler: no), how do you improve a health system when half of the political system will fight like hell against those improvements, and much more.

Zeke Emanuel has also been doing a lot of work on coronavirus policy, so we spend some time there, discussing the question that’s tormenting me now: Are we simply giving up that fight? And is there even a politically viable option to giving up, given how much time the government has wasted and how exhausted the public is?

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